Discussion in 'Random Chat' started by Eutychius, Nov 18, 2016.
Interesting and accurate.
The shittiness of medieval peasant life isn't mutually exclusive with the shittiness of being a farmer today in some countries.
A peasant would not be evicted from his land because he wouldn't really be allowed to leave his land as well. He wasn't owned as a slave, but the fact he worked the land of a feudal lord was essentially a license for the lord to own his labour.
Feudalism was widespread in Europe up until the Renaissance if not after that. Most other states around the world generally didn't have that, but they also didn't have the localized economy you are proposing.
When I made the original post, I wasn't as concerned about the living conditions of peasants as the negative effects of modern capitalism. The separation of ownership from production (the peasant owned every seed he planted, and all of the crop that was produced, as well as the land it was on) and the incredible expansion of lending at interest resulted in the economy in America where I live - no one except for several very, very rich people owning much of anything, and the rest of the population managing loans more than paying for things.
Moreover, a lot of the hardships of peasant life were really just hardships of medieval life in general - healthcare, slow progress in agricultural technology, bandits. Despite these problems, though, it was true that peasants became more and more free, and medieval cities and towns became more and more self-governed, until the seizure of church property by protestant states in the 1500s changed the balance of land ownership and the introduction of factory capitalism and consumerist economic policy shortly thereafter drove a power wedge between the working and upper classes, where the latter rather suddenly owned everything.
Definitely, but part of this picture is contributed by the sociopolitical structure of the middle ages which is by definition this state of feudalism. It's not as if these hardships would be the exact same thing if people had more rights and a fairer exchange with their feudal lords.
Actually, there was always such a massive dissonance. The French revolution happened in a country untouched by protestant movements of the kind and still had enormous clergy-owned land. People in the lower classes had always been oppressed by their lords, be it feudal lords, counts, kings or whatever.
The real division in class happened after the industrial revolution when classes really did start to become more than just peasants and nobles. You had a lower class, a middle class and a new rising higher class of industry owners. That's also why reactionaries to this effect (call it the birth of capitalism, if you like) like Marx came at this period.
This test is rubbish. Why I am not in the very low left corner.
About what I expected
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18
At the sight of questions asked, I just can't understand how there are people who end up in the purple side. Those must really be neoliberalists, or lack any good sense of understanding the questions. This is what is frightening actually. Cause these people might have answered atrocious things about the super power of trans-national firms.
I'm on the purple side, but still stay fairly near the center. And I find that is pretty accurate. I find myself to be both liberal and conservative, a typical centrist view. My social view is slightly stronger on traditionalism, protecting the essence that defines my own country and culture, while purging all outdated and detrimental aspects and replacing them with good values from foreign countries. I also lean more on free trade, with protectionism on where my country needs.
Purple side with further on the down-right is more like radical liberalism, with more libertarian political view + laissez-faire market.
I just can't understand why people coined the term neoliberalism and neoconservatism. They are both dumb and don't have a distinctive definition. They are confusing and the users of those terms use them to sound like they are knowledgeable. This is what Orwell warned people about Newspeak.
Meanwhile I agree that some questions don't have the correct answer for me though. I can only choose the closest possible. Some questions can be interpreted differently, and the answer of whether I agree or disagree can just about some simple wordings outside of the intended answers of the questions.
I expected me to score more authoritarian.
Just like last time I took it.
You can almost pinpoint what quadrant most people are just by their post history and how they express themselves, for the most part.
A few surprised me.
Id say yours is fairly accurate.
Uhmm... it's rather inaccurate
I know I'm in near conservatism and prefer capitalism for instance but there's no way for me to get that with the way the questions are asked, and I'd wager a lot of the users who did this test are way closer to the center than the test shows.
There's nowhere near enough questions for the compass to be accurate and the way the questions are formulated is way too radical, asking for either black or white. I took a similar test back in college and I remember it had around 200 questions and we had an hour and a half to finish it, I'll try looking it up.
LMAO There's no way you can score that position with these questions without being absolutely radical, you did say that dictatorships are the best form of government though so no surprise there I guess.
How can I print mine ?
Starting from the center, it went three for the right >> and two down \/ at libertarian.
Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
We are on opossing sides, shall we kill ourselves.
On a serious note: Don't get me wrong, but I think these tests are flawed.
Right-click on your chart and select "view image" or "open image in new tab". Then save that image to your browser and upload it to PD as an attachment or through imgur.
Well then, I expected at least that much libertarian but a little bit more. The closeness to right in the middle of left and right is very unexpected for me though.
But I think it is because of the way that general definitions of the two fall in left=liberal and right=conservative. Which is more about the alignments of most of each sides supporters and not just the political views.
I find it weird though that right is described as being pro smaller government and the stuff like anti abortion/homosexual marriage. While every person I know and see talking about those topics tend to be of the opinion that there should be less governmental influence yet that abortion should be allowed. Because for them those two go hand in hand.
Pretty interesting though.
Print? As in post it on PD?
1. Right click image
2. Click "Copy Image Address"
3. Click "Image" on PD's post toolbar
4. Paste image address into popup display
All answers were in accordance to my faith. Being practically in the center, I can safely state that Islam is the best representative of moderation in our world. Suck on that, atheist libtards.
So I'm a "libertarian socialist", according to the chart. I always thought of myself as a authoritarian, but now I see that I'm for a free market- just not a global free market.
My dude, at this point I'd like to quote Nezekan (without actually quoting his post):
edit: that ^ is actually an image but it looks like text, just wanted to point it out.
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