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Wtf is wrong with the Balkans

Discussion in 'Random Chat' started by lovestep, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. NaL-Ra

    NaL-Ra Member

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    How would that help ?
    You said that nothing gets done without Putin's approval, so I don't see why someone would risk to lose money in bribing, when Putin can still say "No." ?
    So you contradict yourself right there, creating an impossibility, which cannot be true, even in theory.

    This would suggest that every other Russian citizen that ever build anything also had money for bribing every level of administration, which would mean that every other Russian is filthy rich.
    Which is another impossibility and cannot be true.

    Why would you need to bribe workers ?
    They are workers, want to work if you hire and pay them. Why would you need to bribe them ?
    Are they going to say no to a job and pay, and continue to sit on their asses, risklosing job and pay, because they expect bribe as well ?

    As you can see, this is another impossibility which cannot be true, if you think about it.
    So, its not in the interest of the seller of the material to sell his products ?
    He is going to risk not selling his products and customer walking away, because he expected bribe and didnot get it?
    And there is only one material seller in Russia, I suppose ? You cannot go to another seller ?

    Again, a few impossibilities which cannot be true.

    And it has been like that for at least 16 years,
    Which means every Russian is filthy rich and can afford bribes, every Russian is inside corruption chain and everyone bribes everyone.
    Another few impossibilities that cannot be true, even in theory.

    And every single individual in Russia has received a bribe or gave a bribe or both. And every single individual in Russia was involved in corruption.
    For at least, last 16 years.

    Which is as impossible as Clowngollo answering a question.

    So, how do they lack money then ?
    If they give money for bribe, but then receive bribe money, than they don't lack money ? They are even at the end of the day ?

    Another imposs......... .... ......... .................. ...............

    I highly doubt that you could, haha.

    But I can. So I know that you are right about this, for a change.
    But whats bad, is that you prolly hold a lot of them for a "trusted source", hahahahaha.

    Might appear ? Well, yeah... We cannot know for sure... Until some TRUSTED SOURCE(read with announcing superhero voice) tell us so...

    I know now that you are just joking around with this parodic view of reality, but can you at least answer this...
    ...without joking around ?
     
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  2. NaL-Ra

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    Even I didn't thought that PD could fall as low as to think that Russia is "ruled" by single mind and that Putin treats Russia as his private property and that he doesn't care what will happen with Russian after he is gone...
    But it happened...

    Luckily, reality check comes just in time.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...using-a-new-generation-to-preserve-his-legacy
    Is the "source" "trustworthy" enough ? Some parts are pretty stereotypical.
     
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  3. Seethe

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    He thinks that only PD sees Russia for what it is, and not the entire planet. lmao. I mean everyone in Eastern Europe already is living the iron curtain experience after all these years, and everyone else in the world already sees this single aspect, let alone that Russia is not even attempting to hide how corrupt and vile it is.

    The average human isn't infantile as you are. We can see the obvious, we don't need propagandistic media guiding us as if we were empty headed. Actually a lot of people fall to that pretty often so I take that back, but not to the most obvious shit such as "Russia is corrupt". Next up, North Korea is a beacon of wealth and everyone has something to eat. I know this because great leader Kim showed me.
     
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  4. kamukag3e

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    @Seethe:
    Dude, just shut up about your badmouthing NK.
    They successfully landed craft on the Sun, you are just jealous of their glorious leader !
     
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  5. MrFrank

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    I know people like Nal-Trash IRL. It's not a pretty sight to see. This is coming from a basement-dwelling shut-in gremlinoid, and they make me look like an attractive socialite.
     
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  7. NaL-Ra

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    Just one planet ? Pfff, thats nothing. What about the Moon and people on Mars ?
    Until you interview everyone on all planets, all the way to the Alpha Centauri, its irrelevant.

    This single sentence is incorrect in English language and grammar on so many levels, its not even funny.
    Think about getting those English lessons you suggested to me.

    How corrupt it is ?
    Why is it vile ?

    Why am I infantile ?

    You ? You wouldn't see the obvious even if it was growing out of your forehead.

    Thats exactly how and what you are.

    Did you hear that Russia used mass, long-distance hypnosis on people of Romania, to make them forget their children and abandon their children, migrating to other EU countries, as soon as a job opportunity in EU became a possibility, leaving their children behind and their upbringing to the Sewer King and to life in sewer system of Bucharest ?

    See ? Like that.
    "Russia is corrupt" is shit. I agree.

    Its not much different than America when it comes to people not having something to eat.

    You don't know why the Pyramids are fascinating, what advanced knowledge the Mayan civilization had, or are capable of answering a simple question about your own claim that every civilization had advanced knowledge...

    So... Stop fantasizing about knowing anything about North Korea.

    And what are "we" like ?
    Oh, you don't wonna go there, believe me.
    I consider this place "a place of thought", so presenting physical apprentice doesn't interest me. But, you would lose there, by such a long margin, that it might push you over the edge...
     
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  8. kamukag3e

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  9. NaL-Ra

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    After carefully reading your explanation multiple times I realize now that I was wrong, and that you are perfectly capable of explaining your opinion and voicing the knowledge you have.
     
  10. lovestep

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    I knew I remembered the name from somewhere.

    She just got named "European of the week" by rfi Paris:
    http://www.rfi.fr/emission/20180304-roumanie-laura-koevesi-chef-direction-nationale-anticorruption

    Thought you'd like to know.
     
  11. Seethe

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    Yeah saw that. Of course, the government owned media puppets never mentioned anything of this. And they failed to bring her down for now, after a long communist style "analysis" by the minister of justice, who think that prosecutors are his personal playthings. I wonder what makes politicians think they have the right to prosecute and judge a prosecutor. Romania's currently governing "SOCIALIST" party need to be beaten into submission. They have no political identity or leaning, there is nothing socialist, or left wing, or right wing about them, they are literally a bunch of colorless, odorless thugs who have been trying to butcher the justice system for a year so they can get out of prison. They did NOTHING else, they built 0 km of highway even though there's a crisis over them. Even the Socialists from the EU parliament pointed this out lately, they literally have no friends. It's like Ceausescu's communism all over again, but they will very likely lose next time at least.
     
  12. Seethe

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    @enrico.swagolo just in case you might want to know, the most notorious TV channel that uses the same bullshit "Soros" conspiracy theories as the rest of the toadies of the world do, have been punished. The TV Channel, and two of the journalists have to pay each around 70.000 euros fines for defamation/moral damages of Laura Kovesi. Might not seem a lot to you, but that sum is not a joke around here for an individual. The most damaging punishment however, is that they have to publicly apologize to her 3 days in a row during peak views. You cannot possibly understand how satisfying the second punishment is, due to their vicious and aggressive nature towards whoever they disagree with.
     
  13. enrico.swagolo

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    Yeah, I saw. There was also this piece of news that the president was trying to get rid of Laura Kovesi by some law or something but failed? I am glad the people are behind her.

    I also recently talked to an older man from Romania who left in the early 90's, and when we talked about authoritarianism in the world, he said it probably won't happen in the US because it's just not the spirit of the place. China, Russia, or Turkey, for example, have imperial legacies of single rulers, but in Romania you guys even elected kings (same in Poland, too), so it makes it harder to make people accept a dictator.
     
  14. Seethe

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    The president definitely does not try to get rid of her. The parliament tries to do it, and the president is on her side. As for dictatorships, it won't happen. And if it will happen, it will be short lived. Romania has a history of overthrowings whenever something goes really bad, don't know why. Maybe the sun drives the people up the wall.
     
  15. NaL-Ra

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    How is the payment for this service achieved in this business transaction between those extremist thug group and Russian government ?

    What guaranties does a the Russian government have that thugs will do what they ask, and their money wont be wasted ?
    What guaranties do the extremist thugs have that they will be paid and not risk getting arrested and spending years in prison for being violent ?

    What happens if Russian government send the money to extreme thug groups in Romania and they receive and take the money, but don't do anything after that ? Then what happens ?
     
  16. Seethe

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    Bank transactions, and really you are asking me this question: "What happens if Russian government send the money to extreme thug groups in Romania and they receive and take the money, but don't do anything after that ? Then what happens ?"

    Maybe this, blackmails, the promise of even more money, or exchange of different services, basically well thought offers that they cannot refuse. Maybe shelter from Romanian authorities, in case they get sentenced to prison. You think that bribery doesn't exist because "what if they won't pay in the end". Bribery happens in politics all the time. In the USA, the heads of various pharmaceutical companies bribed US politicians to allow them to increase the prices of drugs tenfold, as an example. How are you this daft after all this time, did your brain seriously stop developing?
     
  17. NaL-Ra

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    Oh, OK. Didnot know that violent thug groups have a registered bank accounts.

    Well, I don't know what happens in a fictional World that exists only inside your and Swaggolo's head, so I have to ask.

    Oh, I didn't know Boris was a Romanian thug group.
    Huh, whats that ? "No, he wasn't, but thats what would happen to thugs, too ?"
    Oh OK.

    But how would Russian government track down and reach an unknown individuals in a foreign country ? How do they even know their addresses an location ?

    Also, how is what happened to Boris the fault of Russian government ?

    How would Russian government blackmain Romanian thug groups ? How ? With what ?

    Just a promise ? They wouldn't actually pay them ?

    What offers violent thug groups cannot refuse ? Give two examples.

    If they get arrested and sentenced to prison, when would the Russian government have a chance to give them shelter ?

    No I don't.

    Well, if that doesn't prove that Russian government sponsors violent thug groups in foreign countries, from Europe to the USA, then I don't know what does.

    Also, there is a gigantic difference between bribe, bribing a politician, political figure, with publicly known - first name, last name, physical appearance, address, location, family and entire family tree, to push for your agenda within his field of influence, and Government of a different country giving money to an unknown entity, unknown group, unknown individuals, in a foreign country, to do violent acts in public, on public events, and to think that that somehow achieves their agenda ?!?!

    Why am i daft ?
    I just wanted to find out more about this fictional World inside your head.
    Tell me more about it. Where is it ? Where do all these events happen ? Is it on a Planet ? How is it called ? What solar system ? Oh, oh, and how many genders are there in the animal kingdom of that fictional universe ?
     
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