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US players are just bigger

Discussion in 'Competitive' started by Mimic, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Leadblast

    Leadblast Member

    May 31, 2010
    there are far more divisions/differences between NA & SA (geographical & cultural) than between EU & CIS duh.
    although in the former it would make more sense to make a distinction between US + Canada from the rest of America which is basically Latin America.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2017
  2. Haasva

    Haasva Member

    Dec 26, 2011
    dota (not necessarly pro players) from my experience :
    1. Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukrania, Baltic countries, etc)
    2. Philipines
    3. Western Europe (Sweden, France, Germany, etc)
    4. Asia (China, Malaysia, etc)
    5. America (US, Canada, Mexico, Brasil, Australia, etc).
    6. Rest of the world (Africa, India, Japan, Southern Europe, England, Middle East..)
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2017
  3. iLag

    iLag Member

    Jul 19, 2012
    ^ lol? is a joke? chinese are easily most tryhard and best
  4. Oesile

    Oesile Member

    Oct 8, 2016
    There are also far more teams in EU & CIS, making a division between EU and CIS actually functional instead of an arbitrary division based on 'culture' who no one in dota gives a fuck about.
    Just because it's an historically used division, it doesn't mean it isn't arbitrary, because 'convention' isn't a good enough reason to do things one way or another unless you're a sheep.

    Why would pro dota teams care about culture during tournaments, or geographical differences in the first place? If you want a good reason to split South America from NA just point out ping, which IS an important factor for fair competition.

    Said reasons are not relevant for a competitive environment. War history? Unless it's between Dire and Radiant it's not important for a pro dota scene at all. Language? Same issue between CIS and EU. Culture? Literally who cares. What's important are placings in tournaments to be a top team, not whether you eat with mini-tridents or sticks, or enjoy pasta more than tortillas. Geographical reasons? Then CIS should be part of CN really, and honestly the only part that matters for dota about geography is ping, which is not the reason these places are normally split in the first place.
    Types of Governament? Only part that matters here are E-sport rulings and such. Besides, the difference between Russia and EU is pretty big (although every government is creepily similar).
    If people want to split NA from south america and viceversa, then they need to provide actual arguments (such as ping, or maybe visa issues if there are any, or playerbase, or the competitive scene) instead of just saying it should be so because 'continents'.

    The reason south america isn't split from NA despite ping discrepancies (which actually should be fine considering I always hear NA crying about spanish speaking foreigners in their pubs) is I assume because south america doesn't have any tier 1 and just a few tier 2 teams that could viably compete in the majors and TI. Giving them free slots would either mean Valve needs to put more slots in general, or more deserving teams might be scratched for a heavily underdeveloped scene.
    EU however is rife with tier 2 and tier 3 teams making the CIS EU split really not that unfair, and actually might end up not making a difference. They can easily just split the slots, considering CIS isn't that underdeveloped compared to EU (See VP for example).

    I really don't mind if NA and SA get split, and EU and CIS don't. But if it's just because of convention and has no reasonable explanation in why it should be done for the Dota scene, then it's just whimsical and arbitrary.
  5. Abstract.Raze

    Abstract.Raze Member

    Mar 14, 2012
    Nope, in the last Major(fixed), EU demonstrated superiority at 100% power level.

    The ESL tournament is good for image purposes, marketing, but from a financial perspective isn't worthy of investing 100% power level, at least 40% - 45% considering that in one sumit is 20% or even less, unless the team is in a critical financial situation where any cent counts, which isn't the case so far.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2017