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Remake Troll Warlord's Level 25 Talent

Discussion in 'Remakes' started by Hyperion1O1, Jan 6, 2017.

  1. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Member

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    Current:

    20% Magic Resistance

    Now:

    Troll now attacks twice but his attack damage is halved.

    *Notes:
    Each attack is only 50% of his total damage.
    Each attack is treated as a separate occurrence.
    The second attack is inflicted after 0.1 seconds of the first one.
    Attack speed modifiers only affect the occurrence of the first attack.

    Thoughts?

    EDIT:
    Reasoning for this is to give him an option to raise his bash/attack modifiers chances while not actually making him OP as its actually a decrease in DPS since each attack gets reduced by armor and damage block.

    Could be good with Mjolnir.. wait they put a cooldown on that thing, goddamit
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2017
  2. Bargh

    Bargh Member

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    Might as well just get 5% extra bash chance.
     
  3. Oesile

    Oesile Member

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    So the damage is essentially the same, but you can permabash people and Mjollnir shreds teams? You realize this is on the verge of being an Aghs upgrade?
    Only damage block reduces DPS, hitting for 100 damage or 50 damage twice makes no difference when it comes to armor. Let's say you have 50% physical damage resistance; 100 becomes 50 and 50 becomes 25 (x2 so also 50), except you do damage when bash procs, and you murder people with MKB and even with nerfed Mjollnir. You get lightning on every hit basically, and double MKB's dps. While permabashing people.
    Heck, might as well give Troll a talent that allows him to build basher at level 25, that would at least not be as broken as this.
     
  4. Monsterlord_2nd

    Monsterlord_2nd Moderator Staff Member

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    To be fair, more than a couple of 25 talents are on that level already.

    I would argue that it really doesn't cause that many problems either. If you're playing against Troll with any understanding of the hero, you already know how dangerous it is to let him into arm's reach. All it really does is bump kiting him from "recommended" to "crucial". I would expect to only see it as a change to his melee mode, after all.
     
  5. Oesile

    Oesile Member

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    To be fair, this talent is better than many Aghs upgrades..

    'Crucial' as in one hit (which becomes two) and you might be permabashed to death. All he needs is one bash and it's over. Troll reaches max attack speed with ease (fervor gives him up to 210, ult 280, 100 base for every hero and at level 25 97 from agi, that's 587 attack speed without items) and with 1.5 BAT he hits once every 0.25 seconds. With a 10% chance to bash, you can see how broken this is? He has a 2 second bash, with your suggestion he does ~16 within 2 seconds. That's permabash.
    Hell, his bash is based on pseudo random distribution, him not permabashing you means you have been blessed by RNGesus, because he has 6 more attacks than he needs to permabash you on average.

    You're right that's it's crucial to kite him now, because no matter how much gold you have once he gets a bash you're done.
     
  6. summer-penguin

    summer-penguin Moderator Staff Member

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    This is actually a little offending, Hyperion.
    You're suggesting to double his chances of bashing.
    :cat:
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2017 at 12:41 AM
  7. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Member

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    Well fuck, I actually wrongly assumed the DPS would go lower fuck.

    Just tweak it then to 35% or 40% of his damage then and make the ability toggeable. Troll is a shit hero nowadays anyway, needs all the help he can get.
     
  8. summer-penguin

    summer-penguin Moderator Staff Member

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    No arguing w/ that.