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Politics of the United States - Aftermath of 2016 Election

Discussion in 'World News & Debate' started by HHHNNNGGG, Oct 8, 2016.

  1. enrico.swagolo

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    Lol, what is happening? Traditionally conservative states just elected a bunch of people who do not fit the conservative profile:
    • 2 Democratic governors
    • 2 black lieutenant governors (VA, NJ)
    • 2 transgender officials
    • A Black Lives Matter lawyer as District Attorney in Philadelphia
    • A sikh major in Hoboken
    • A socialist in Virginia
    • The first black woman to serve as Mayor of Charlotte, NC
    Some news pieces:
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  2. enrico.swagolo

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    That's... the point? Climate change is still a relatively new field of study, and there are no general regulations across the world on what to do about it. Therefore, countries have to decide what they are doing based on their infrastructure, industries, and overall contribution to global warming. The US accounts for only 4% of the world population, yet we produce the most waste and have second-highest (after China) pollution rate. So who exactly should recommend what we do to reduce emissions, for example? Some UN assembly? No. This is something our country needs to decide for ourselves. We have enough scientists and researchers. The Paris agreement is simply a commitment to do something, but the responsibility to do things is on us.

    Unless you want everyone to tell you what to do with your life, I don't see how your logic regarding the Paris agreement makes any sense. You sound like certain people in the Soviet Union who were expecting the government to do things for them.

    If we were to take your "argument" seriously, then:
    1. If "crazies will find a way to get a gun," how come there are no mass shootings in other countries? Crazies exist everywhere, you know.
    2. If gun violence is a result of gangs, then how come none of the mass shooters were associated with gangs? And why are you deflecting and backpedaling the issue into gang violence when we are specifically discussing mass shooters and not gangsters?

    You sound like Kellyanne Conway, tbh. Conway: 'Rush' to politicize Texas shooting is 'disrespectful to the dead'.
     
  3. Blarrg

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    Its not.

    Wow its almost like the point of my post flew straight over your head.

    If the US is the second biggest problem with emissions, why are we joining an agreement that takes money away from us to funnel to either third world shitholes that don't even produce a relevant fraction of emissions, or to China who is an economical enemy? Especially when you have no regulation.

    This is probably the dumbest thing you could bring up.

    Then what is the point of this agreement? Circlejerk each other about how fucking amazing we are because we advocate for climate change? Sorry, this isn't Facebook, its the real world. Actions speak louder than words, and the Paris Agreement takes away money from richer countries to give to others that will have a negligible effect or simply don't meet their goals.

    Read the sources I posted, because you CLEARLY didn't.

    Good thing we've been reducing our emissions per capita for the last three or more decades and have provided the most research into the area of renewables.

    My logic is the only reasonable thing that should be crossing peoples minds, and I'm not the only one with this mindset on this issue. You read a headline and saw "United States against climate change." I read the actual Paris Agreement and realize we shouldn't be giving money away to countries.

    There are. Lmao.

    A is the set of gun violence incidents.
    B is the set of mass shooting incidents.
    C is the set of gun violence incidents related to gang violence

    All mass shootings are gun violence incidents.
    B ⊆ A

    All gun violence incidents related to gang violence are gun violence incidents.
    C ⊆ A

    My claim is that the majority of gun violence is in relation to gang violence. C can exist as a majority such that there is no intersection with B.


    "Deflecting and backpedaling."

    First of all what am I backpedaling to? I don't think you know how to use that word, or the word deflecting while we're being honest.

    Gun control is the problem? Yet countless places with strict gun control in our country still follow the same script as everywhere else in the US. Odd isn't it? Its almost like its a psychological thing that may be caused due to the socioeconomic state of the country right now, and not really because of accessibility to guns. Kinda weird how all these rednecks in rural areas that typically own lots of guns and have very little law enforcement don't have much gun violence per capita. Extremely weird how gun violence is at its peak where there exists large economic divides (cities).

    Super weird.

    Says the guy who has contributed nothing of value outside of his name being on a list of Alumni. Lmao.
     
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  4. lovestep

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    Or perhaps it's exactly the other way around?
    Approval dropping among non-college educated whites because those are exactly the ones that thought voting for Trump means "no more niggers xd"

    >every college-educated white is a rich liberal
    XD man you're a complete dork

    Maybe approval is going up among them because they see that none of the retarded scaremongering arguments against Trump that were shoved down their throats are coming true?
    Or because the economy is doing well so they've got themselves a job?

    Sounds like you're just mad again that your liberal arts degree is worthless... "But.. BUT IT SAYS BERKELEY ON IT XDD"


    Now let's see blacks do the same thing with "nigger" and we'll have an even playing field.

    Won't be surprised if all those people you know just point out that the Paris agreement is a worthless symbolic waste of time like Blarrg did but your limited mind just instantly labels it as denying climate change.

    And look who's talking about a closed mind lmao. I challenge anyone on the forum to dig thorough this clown's history and quote ONE post where he concedes a point.

    That may be the case for the US, where the education jew is just a great way to sell a loan to clueless teens and exams consist of play-dough contests. Case in point how you were able to graduate from Berkeley.
    In Europe, at least Western Eu from my experience, college education actually implies critical thinking.


    Sikhs are awesome. Everyone else on that list is a fuckup.
     
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  5. ManOnTheCan

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    AFAIK it's better to get paid than not get paid, so I don't see why a biomedical company would be happy with people not getting treated and dying.

    Insurance companies and politicians are more to blame here.
     
  6. enrico.swagolo

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    Class division in the US has been historically inflected by race. There was this guy, James Brown, who figured out that American capitalism and the ruling elites were oppressing both poor working whites and black slaves, so he tried to build solidarity across the racial lines and unite together poor white and slaves. He led a rebellion, but was defeated and executed by the ruling elites, and ever since then the US elites have been using the divide and conquer tactic to make sure working class whites never unite with blacks to try and overthrow them. That's why the right wing, which controls most of the wealth in this country, tries to make sure that working class white people hate black people.

    Racism and white supremacy are simply the tools to keep the ruling capitalist elites in power: the longer you keep people occupied with hating on other groups and the longer you have a scapegoat which you can exploit, the longer you stay in power unchallenged. White supremacy is just a tool of capitalism, and more people start to realize it now. James Brown was one of he first white people to figure that out, but he surely won't be the last.

    We are all in this shit together.

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  7. NaL-Ra

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    Dear Lord...It's John Brown... It says right there in your link... :facepalm:
    Happens when you talk about things you learned about literary 15 minutes before posting... from facebook memes...
     
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  8. Nezekan

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    Redneck is barely offensive though. Its as "offensive" as Yankee. Some words start as offensive and get regulated to reduce its effect, Nigga is such word. Though its pronunciation is purposefully changed, because that's how its pronounced in African American accent. It has a good meaning behind it. It means Black people themselves use the word. Using the actual pronunciation is still pretty offensive. Probably the most offensive word in America. More importantly, black people had nothing to do with creating this word. It was used as an insulting way to take away their personality.

    Redneck on the other hand started as a none-offensive word. It used to be referred to white laborers who were generally from the south and generally uneducated. The term characterized farmers having a red neck caused by sunburn from hours working in the fields. The meaning of the word changed when majority of these people turned out to be a bigot or reactionary (at the time, not anymore).

    The term Yankee is very similar. It used to refer to white people from mid west and northeast, particularly New England who at the time had many things in common with the British people. They were generally dressed well and more educated than average American. At the same time that rednecks showed prejudice and bigotry, these people (in comparison) showed tolerance and acceptance. So the opposite of redneck happened here. It became a positive word.

    So no. Its not right to compare Yankee and Redneck to Nigger. They have very different origins. The first two were made by the people and they take responsibility for adding the offensive (or positive) meaning to those words. Nigger on the other hand was forced on an entire people. Any linguistic will tell you the same. I don't have a problem with using slang words. Language is least of our problems. But "Nigger" is not a slang word. Nigga is. The former is like saying "fuck your mom" every time you say it to someone. So you should expect similar consequences.

    Its it weird though? They can get a gun from a less strict area and smuggle it to the restricted area and then it doesn't matter anymore.

    And we are talking automatic and semi-automatic guns here. I'm pretty sure most rednecks own hunting guns and pistols. Like vast majority. Those are pretty handy when you live in middle of nowhere.
     
  9. kamukag3e

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    @Nezekan:
    Sorry, but your understanding of the origin of the word "nigger"/"negro" is wrong.
    It comes from Spanish word negro which means black, and it's completely normal word to use toward the African people when they were found by the European Caucasian explorers with their tanned skin.

    Spain was a country with great navy and their language was used a lot more than the English during that period, and some words become international (just like a lot English therms are becoming used for new inventions, coming from the USA).

    After some time, of course the word changed it's meaning and usage, but it's origin has nothing to do with offensive - it was pure description.
     
  10. Nezekan

    Nezekan Moderator Staff Member

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    Negro is still used for that effect, though rarely. Nigger however, is not. You see, it all about the people who choose to use that word. Meanings can be quite arbitrary. See gay for example, which used to mean happy. Taking a word from a different origin but then giving it a completely different meaning transforms the word. So the origin of the word Nigger in America does not go back to Spain, it remains in America. The words I was using to compare to Nigger (redneck and yankee) never changed in meaning, they just got extra association over time.
     
  11. lovestep

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
    My vote just paid off
     
  12. Brambl3claw

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    Just discovered this thread.

    WE neogaf now bois?

    Nigger is a form of Negro. Both are latin words. Neither was originally offensive in any way. But there you go.
     
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  13. Petique

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    I wonder what will people think of the Trump administration after 50 years. Seriously, some historians will actually study Trump's tweets and will write seminar papers or even books about it. Unbelievable.
     
  14. r0xo

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    It is very entertaining that he acts so un-presidential with his twitter. I think it is cool that a president uses twitter but I wonder if anyone has ever told him that he might need to just cool it down. For example the way he tweeted about those NFL protests. I think its fine if he says something about it but the extent to which he took it is more like a celebrity than a president. It is not a president's place to criticize in that way and call people unpatriotic etc
     
  15. Rubz

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    He says stupid stuff in real life aswell. Couldn't believe what he told the Japanese prime minister during his visit there.​
     
  16. Blarrg

    Blarrg Member

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    The fabled anti-insult.

    "I would never call you short and fat! I just did but I definitely wouldn't, nope, never. You know how you're short and fat? Ya I would never bring that up. Your weight and height? Ya we aren't going to talk about those things."
     
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  17. Nezekan

    Nezekan Moderator Staff Member

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    Kim called him an old lunatic, yet Trump seems to be only concerned about old and not lunatic.

    Also Trump is as fat as Kim if not fatter.

    All of this makes its even more ironic, and funnier.
     
  18. r0xo

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    He did the same thing with calling some lady ugly. I actually really liked the way he did it. It is one of the times he said something in his way that I thought damn thats good.
     
  19. adapt

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    So Trump just allowed elephant trophies legally hunted in Africa to be imported to the U.S.

    Naturally, most people can't see the bigger picture in all this. Everyone is simply crying about "WAHH KILLING/HUNTING IS WRONG1!!1!!!" yet nobody seems to realise (or bothers to research) the fact that legal game hunting is very freaking expensive, and that that money goes back to the reserves which allows those reserves to protect elephants from the real danger: poachers.

    But no, no it's OK. Let's all completely stop legal game hunting in Africa. I'm sure the local reserves there will pay for proper security measures some other way.
     
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  20. r0xo

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    Always nice to see someone who knows this part of the topic. If it wasn't for certain species that were pretty screwed being hunted they would quite likely not exist anymore. The fact that game farms can make money off of those animals meant they invested in breeding more of them and now the populations are doing well. And the genetically they also profit because they want the best versions of the species which means the animals are being selectively bred for the best aspects possible instead of just normal breeding in the wild.

    In short, game farming helps certain species survive and makes the specimens of that species "better".
     
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