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PL overnerfed ?

Discussion in 'Meta-Game Discussion' started by Zloydoter1241, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. Zloydoter1241

    Zloydoter1241 Member

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    The hero has pathetic damage. Just watched DC vs NP and PL wasn't able to do any significant damage to naix or Dusa. The only hero which pl was able to kill was spirit breaker. Even though Pl had same amount of farm as naix or dusa.
    So why pick weak pl when you can pick terrorblade which can deal at least 2 times more damage ?
     
  2. Blarrg

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    PL didn't buy a heart or abyssal so he deserved to lose.

    Not only that but they had no lockdown, that game was hardly PL's fault. The only people doing any in that game were Kunkka and PL.
     
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  3. effreit89

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    Still.. fact remains dat PL does pathetic damage..

    ...and overly reliant on Diffusal to do something

    ...which gives damage only signifant on a small window

    ... then ur back in dealing no damage again

    ...dude can't even flashfarm to get Diff early enough to abuse it
     
  4. BornFromAGrave

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    Lets consider PL is okay by himself, even then there are way to may counters.
    Sand King, Ember Spirit, Earth Shaker, every propper BFury user, Sven, Drow with Tesla-build, Axe...
    And even when you dont pick one of these, Crimson Guard takes PL pretty much completly out of the game dmgwise. Ye you might end up without MP, but your team is immune to his illusions. And you got 10 seconds to kill him, long enought.
     
  5. Blarrg

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    PL is not countered by aoe damage. He's countered by heroes who can quickly single him out in fights.

    He's slightly underpowered, but not that bad. He is the king of fighting an attrition based fight and his biggest problem is lacking significant damage.
     
  6. BornFromAGrave

    BornFromAGrave Member

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    eh... what?
     
  7. Blarrg

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    Persistent aoe damage damage isn't something pl worries about. He can always spawn more illusions. Bigger problems are heroes that can catch him out in the back lines or high burst aoe heroes that lock him down long enough to kill him. Heroes like ember and Bfury don't do shit to a well played pl.
     
  8. BornFromAGrave

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    Except that they take away the opportunity to "hide" between the illusions. They can just a-click and will always hit him, and even allow to clear a full army so he remains the only one, exposing him to else to worthy to use spells like Reapers Scythe or Death Finger. And the new illusions spawn with lower HP aswell. What you describe is only a matter when you are the attacking one and he dosnt already got 1-2 illusions up.
     
  9. Devius

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    His agility was nerfed long time ago (along with Dopplewalk remake in 6.82), but that didn't make him weak. In fact, after the remake his pick rate was very high, and he was very hard to conter. Why he is not picked now:
    1. Some heroes that became strong and favoured by meta destroy PL: Sand King, Drow Ranger.
    2. Echo Sable and buffed Armlet and Deso allow Strength carries to come into power earlier and to be more dangerous later.
    3. He is much easier to catch due to Doppelgang having cast time.
    4. Vanguard with its upgrades can be used to make hits of illusions irrelevant at any stage of the game, if needed.
     
  10. Hyperion1O1

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    Sand King existing means hell for PL. Caustic is hell for melee laners, Caustic Aghs is hell for PL and he still has Epicenter to deal with.
     
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  11. iLag

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    ya and hes a really popular offlaner. WIth an imcompetent support and if u dont make a case to zone him level 1 and deny a lot of exp u can easily get rekt by SK in lane with a lot of melee carries.
     
  12. Blarrg

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    No they don't. Most battlefury users cannot quickly distinguish between PL's because you are constantly creating illusions and everything is on top of each other in a close fight. Heroes like Ember simply die to PL because of abyssal and being shit at manfighting.

    High burst AoE damage along with strong single target lockdown is your best chance against PL.
     
  13. BornFromAGrave

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    you dont have to click on PL himself... as i said he will get hit anyway. And PL vs ember... well... i made different experiences...
     
  14. Blarrg

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    Ya, don't have to click PL, so they lose 65% of their damage, good counter m8
     
  15. Crazy-Stoner

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    Of course PL was over nerfed.
    Would you like a nature prophet type pushing hero that could murder you with a single item?
    Requires a dedicated counter pick and also has a decent escape ability.

    Talk about frustration... so the hero is mostly a non factor.
     
  16. Zloydoter1241

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    https://www.dotabuff.com/items/diffusal-blade
    This stats really scare me a lot. For example void has nearly the same ammount of games with diffusial blade, but he also has more then 12% higher winrate with it. When did PL become so shitty that even mirana and ursa are better diffusial holders. Thats why he has 0% pick/ban rate on major.
     
  17. BornFromAGrave

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    ^
    6.82 - nerf via remake - needed but way way to harsh
    6.83 - nerfed illusion dmg to towers
    6.87 - reduced manaburn from diffusal, drums got bad
    also many buffs to counter-heros, still no proper cheap boots avaiable for illusion-based heroes...

    He got nerfed to trash and all he got was a lousy tshirt with dmg-block
     
  18. mapdesigner

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    but his illusions will spawn with Less and less hp, eventually he and his illusion evaporate
     
  19. Blarrg

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    Sure, but you're still doing 65% less damage so you aren't winning the manfight anyway. Even if PL somehow "loses" he can doppelganger away and regen with heart and continue playing games around you since you've probably lost all of your mana.
     
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  20. BornFromAGrave

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    The remaining 35% dmg of a PA with BFury atttacking an illusions is more dmg then PL does. Not to mention Sven...