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Monkey King lifesteal by Jingu Mastery is too high? (tested)

Discussion in 'Advanced Mechanics' started by Mordax, Dec 17, 2016.

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  1. Mordax

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    I was amazed by the heal that was done by jingu mastery even on lvl1, and since the tooltip states it is only 20% lifesteal I went to a lobby and compared the values, because it feels like something is wrong.

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    look at post #4, the heal is always the same ignoring armor and the actual damage dealt. If you pick up tons of armor between two hits the amount that is healed by lifesteal stays the same.

    Other lifesteal sources heal by a percentage of the actual damage done after reductions, jingu mastery heals a percentage of the damage BEFORE reductions. This make it a lot stronger than the tooltip says, the higher the armor the bigger the effect.


    lvl 1; against ~11 armor: effective lifesteal is 80% higher than it should be (36% instead of 20%)
    lvl 1; against ~21 armor: effective lifesteal is 140% higher than it should be (48% instead of 20%)
     
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  2. Mordax

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    do you need more info/video with combat log?

    Or do I misinterpret the skill?
     
  3. Mordax

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    edit: look at post #4
     
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  4. Jabutosama

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    i think that it could heal before the damage is even dealt, it would make sense as armor does not reduce it
     
  5. Mordax

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    after testing:
    you are right, it ignores armor and it heals before the damage is dealt. Armor does not matter the heal amount is the same, if you pick up tons of armor between two hits.

    A different mechanic on purpose or a bug?


    lvl 1; against 10 armor: effective lifesteal is 80% higher than it should be (36% instead of 20%)
    lvl 1; against 20 armor: effective lifesteal is 140% higher than it should be (48% instead of 20%)
     
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  6. Jabutosama

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    it can be either, but I assume it is mechanic as lifesteal should be simple copy and paste, he has done it so many times before.
     
  7. Mordax

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    I assume he does not that much of the coding (anymore), and more design and actual balancing. And since valve has to fix simplest stuff like their hud or minimap clicks even a week after the release I can absolutely imagine that they fuck this up.
    I ask myself why noone so far was feeling that this ability lifesteals way too much.
     
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  8. Hemoxyte

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    Is it the same on other heroes such as sk or something like vlads/mom? Because if so then it is intended I am thinking.
     
  9. Mordax

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    No vlads mask satanic wk lifesteals all do not ignore armor. To be sure that there was not something changed or fucked up in the last update I tested them and they simply lifesteal a portion of the damage that was dealt AFTER armor reduction
     
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  11. Mordax

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    summoning @IceFrog @Valve

    either a bug, or some weird mechanic that is not mentioned in the skill description.
     
  12. mapdesigner

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    there is life steal who ignore reductions: life stealer feast
     
  13. Mordax

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    yes because that is what the skill does, it is not normal lifesteal it, steals a percentage of the targets current hp, it is not working like normal lifesteal. Normal lifesteal steals a percentage of the damage dealt.

    ("Lifestealer's attacks damage enemies and heal himself for a percentage of his target's current health.")

    Someone called reddit, it hit frontpage, will see what is done
     
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  14. EebstertheGreat

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    Given that there is no description of this interaction anywhere, it's probably a bug. I don't know why the same lifesteal mechanic is not used.
     
  15. Mordax

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    nice to see some of the members from back in the days^^

    where is the "qac" guy from advanced mechanics from the old playdota forum?
     
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