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Lone Druid Agility

Discussion in 'Meta-Game Discussion' started by Crazy-Stoner, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. Crazy-Stoner

    Crazy-Stoner Member

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    Just an observation while playing against druid.
    Level 25 with vlads he has upwards of 25 armour.

    With added hitpoints, potential movement speed and damage. It's rather bizarre that he has huge agility. While our draft played a large role, its interesting to look at riki with his obvious disadvantages and compare. But for an assassin who should have high agi and comparing them to druid...

    It would of been a totally different game if the player would stand and fight, instead of tank like a bristleback. Rather brings back the discussion who is icefrog and what are the only two heros he plays on his team alliance.
     
  2. MortalKombat3

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    He has huge agility for a VERY long time, mostly because he can deal damage only with right-click.
    Most efficient way to play him is to put your items into bear and fight with him, while your hero stays back.
    Why? Because bear has much more HP, so killing him is much harder (until deep late), and if you try to focus Druid, he will run and kite you while bear deals damage and kills. Even if your bear dies, you can resummon him instantly at no cost. "Resumonning" a hero requires buyback with massive cost and BoT as well....

    And sorry, stats on most heroes arent really logical considering their lore and stature..
     
  3. JDF8

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    The bear has weak armor type and damage type iirc, except against tower. Picking all the talents that buff your hero means you have a 990 range agi carry with permanent haste and 200-300 damage, that respawns in 50 seconds at level 25
     
  4. Freaky Alien Genotype

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    Which doesn't make much difference in the end because by that stage you've put all your farm onto the bear and so have next to nothing on your hero, meaning he dies quickly without much impact.
     
  5. ManOnTheCan

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    The new build is hero-based. Building bear means you have to go for early game win because of the way his damage scales. Hero build let's you go late game, while farming safely because you have a meatshield that roots for you.

    IMO lone druid is a little too strong. On paper he just seems much better than Sniper, unless I'm missing something.
     
  6. MortalKombat3

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    Sniper has spells in addition to right-click. LD cant deal damage from 2-3k range, Sniper can (Assasinate).
     
  7. ManOnTheCan

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    Are you talking about his aghs assassinate? Because late game autoattacking does more damage than his normal ult.
     
  8. MortalKombat3

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    Game doesnt start from lategame. A hero should be useful in early and mid game too. BTW, when i watch pro patches with Sniper, he either snowballs hard and wins game at 25-40 min mark, or he loses. And i can understand that - Sniper actually doesnt have any true lategame skill, his only advantage is his range, but now, there are other heroes with quite large range, who scale better into lategame. So look at Sniper from that perspective, please.
     
  9. Oesile

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    Also Shrapnel is absolutely bonkers. It is what turned one of the worst hero in the game into a PTSD inducer in 6.83. Shrapnel is super good at defending too, and with the Aghanims breaching highground against a Sniper lategame is really hard unless you have a way to chip towers with illusions, or have a low cd disjoint and a heart.

    On the other hand LD can get 12 slotted, use bear to push other lanes and then even put his own Aghanims in his backpack and call the bear back when he needs to fight, making him theoretically 15 slotted with moonshard.
    It's neigh impossible to get to and a hero like CK can still murder him with just 6 slots with a good rift, but yeah LD scary hero (who runs super fast all the time too).
     
  10. JDF8

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    unless you have heroes that directly counter sniper, he is to be feared in the lategame. Unapproachable by blink due to low cd 7 charge shrapnel, the hero can stack damage items with skadi and shred anyone, barring few direct counters (spectre, storm). Not only does the hero turn raxing into an extremely dangerous task, he also can stand in the ultra lategame and defend against megas

    you can theorycraft about his lategame potential being mediocre, but speaking from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE losing the lategame as sniper is almost always coincided with a 10-30k net worth disadvantage, on even footing sniper will demolish entire teams.

    The best damage steroid in the game is being able to hit people, and the unkiteable combination of shrapnel+skadi+headshot and 1000+ range means that a good sniper will spend most of the fight putting the hurt on people, unlike I.E sven, clinkz, or even a hero like PA who have difficulty switching targets when confronted with multiple forces and ghosts
     
  11. slence

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    LD have bear meanwhile sniper have nothing on early. Bear is really damn strong tool for everything. Sniper need totally safe farm and space for snowballing meanwhile LD with his bear can snowball and do thing by his own without too much rely to his teammate.

    Building bear is kinda obselete now. LD talents give so much great bonuses to hero, free relic and more range is strong option.
     
  12. Oesile

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    Shrapnel made Sniper one of the strongest mids in 6.83 and very hard to gank. Shrapnel was like Alchemist's Acid Spray, except with a slow on a ranged hero with headshot. Shadow Fiend couldn't even get close to the creepwave for example, and even Puck couldn't dodge Sniper's harassment.
    Headshot also procs on allied creeps, meaning Sniper has a 40% chance to guarantee a deny (and he has a superb projectile speed, meaning he doesn't have to step forward to last hit like other ranged heroes).
    It's literally one of the strongest laning and zoning tools in the game.
     
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