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jungling was actually nerfed to the ground!

Discussion in 'Dota Chat' started by mapdesigner, May 19, 2017.

  1. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    Hello,

    tried few games with LC. I felt so useless and feeder and 0 duels

    jungling from lvl 1 is totally impossible now? or is it just that im not most effecient?

    what is there to junling efficiency apart from stacking camps, and taking preferable camps when having the choice? (i.e. large camps more gold)

    Edit: PS, noticed 5% drop in win rate of LC (50 to 45%)
     
  2. kamukag3e

    kamukag3e Member

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    @mapdesigner:
    Not nerfed to the ground, but if you actually read the notes and think about for a moment,
    would understand that 20% gold and experience reduction means that those who cannot clear stacks (aka Axe) will be significantly slowed with their timings and if they expect to have some momentum (well timed Dagger or other important item) or are tempo based (such as Legion and his level 6, ultimate damage etc.) will be screwed big-time.
    For the dedicated junglers that is. Flash farming via BF or natural cleave is actually buffed significantly.

    The era of 2 cores and 3 roamers/supports is here.

    Another thing is that now middle have increase experience and gold gain with +1 melee creep and a secured middle/safe-lane means that the middle/carry can get +80% (+100% for the mid-lane) more experience if he can safely deny all the enemy creeps.

    Now if you add 2+2 it's not 10,000 but 4 and 4 is more than the -2 for those junglers who are slow enough.

    Supporting, zoning and roaming become so much more important, as they are the players securing the lanes.
    Last-hit ability and keeping creep equilibrium will give more benefits for cores compared to before.
     
  3. Bargh

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    I don't think 3supports is coming back. Atleast in pubs.

    It's way too easy to stall the game for 3cores to get farmed.
     
  4. IHateLeavers

    IHateLeavers Member

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    Yeah, jungling was nerfed by about 15% gold/xp wise, doesnt matter which hero you play.
     
  5. Oesile

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    Praise GabeN! The jungle shouldn't give so much gold and incentive to farm it.
     
  6. BloodRampage-

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    mid/lategame farming has been buffed to ridiculous levels

    cleave heroes completely dominate this patch - AM, sven etc
     
  7. RadioCity

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    Hmm I wonder why Sven/Am is so good right now. Must be becouse '
    jungling was actually nerfed to the ground!'
     
  8. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    I mean lvl 1 jungling lol
     
  9. JicktheDog

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    As someone who rush Aghs on Bloodseeker and play him as a jungler since the 7.00 update, I'm not really that happy with the "every minute neutral spawn" update. It's not really that good for early jungling since you can't really clear camps that fast. Then I read the "neutral creep bounty reduction." Never tried jungling since 7.06. I'm playing as a roaming support for now.
     
  10. mapdesigner

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    I cant even lane. My LC games became afk or feed. time to start thinking about laning (i still dont like to lane)
     
  11. Z01d

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    Level 1 jungling was nerfed as it should be while farming the jungle past 10-15 min has been buffed.
    Farming is now an actual playstyle again instead of deathballing.
     
  12. HyP-

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    Yeah they managed to kill the jungler position while greatly buffing the jungle for late game and early stackers, pubbers must be happy right now.
     
  13. Oesile

    Oesile Member

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    >Implying jungle players care

    I still see junglers every game
     
  14. Bargh

    Bargh Member

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    What if jungle was actually beyond nerfed aka somewhere deep below surface, so 'actual nerf to the ground' was a net buff?
     
  15. JicktheDog

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    7.07:
    - Neutral wont give exp and gold till 40 minutes. Spawn every 20 seconds.
     
  16. ManOnTheCan

    ManOnTheCan Member

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    I just won with two junglers. Now there's enough farm for five cores I guess.
     
  17. mapdesigner

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    But how quick can Lc farm blink asap? 11 min?