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Free mmr with NP while it lasts

Discussion in 'Meta-Game Discussion' started by Anti-Xenophobe, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. Anti-Xenophobe

    Anti-Xenophobe Member

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    Steps:
    Build Midas
    Build Agh's
    Build Octarine
    Pick double Treant hp/damage talent

    Whenever you kill a hero with Agh's ulti, you get a 3.3k hp treant with 192 damage
    Whenever you kill a creep with Agh's ulti, you get a 2.2k hp treant with 96 damage

    Basically you can just spam your ulti infinitely and the enemy will have to defend their base until the end of time, because 4-5 treants will take a tower by themselves if not taken care of. It's so broken that it doesn't even matter that you're feeding gold/xp: you're denying them both jungles and your broken treants put Naga/TB illusions to shame
     
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  2. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Member

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    The amount of gold and exp the treant feeds is so inconsequential compared to illusions lmao and they're tankier to boot
     
  3. JDF8

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    they have super low armor though dont they

    still you can keep all waves pushed in forever i guess. we will see if prophet is back
     
  4. Daddy Sven

    Daddy Sven Moderator Staff Member

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    What?
     
  5. Randy7777

    Randy7777 Member

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    Lulz 40% pub winrate, show us your replay.
     
  6. Anti-Xenophobe

    Anti-Xenophobe Member

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    They fixed it real quick
    Basically the treants that spawned from creeps after getting hit by Agh's ulti (while having the stronger Treants talent) had 2.2k hp
    Now they're bugged in the opposite direction and only have 550 hp despite you having the talent
     
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  7. Freaky Alien Genotype

    Freaky Alien Genotype Moderator Staff Member

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    They have 0% magic resist and, like, 1 or 2 armour. They're not exactly tanky.
     
  8. Anti-Xenophobe

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    The problem is that they wreck creep waves and can even manfight some supports. It means that you can't just send back a Bane or Skywrath to defend, it has to be someone with AOE like Earthshaker or your carry. In some cases even the carry can take forever to clear the treants out (if they had 2.2k hp), such as Clinkz having to shoot them down one by one or a Spectre without a Radiance etc
     
  9. Freaky Alien Genotype

    Freaky Alien Genotype Moderator Staff Member

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    But that's basically true of any summons-based pusher. They're especially strong if the other side doesn't have AoE clear. That's just how this game works :p
     
  10. Anti-Xenophobe

    Anti-Xenophobe Member

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    Enigma cannot teleport around the map every 20 seconds, nor can he spawn Eidolons from halfway across the map. Same thing for Lycan and Beastmaster.
     
  11. ManOnTheCan

    ManOnTheCan Member

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    Furion doesn't have a bkb piercing 4 sec stun.
     
  12. Oesile

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    Pretty much, Bane and Skywrath Mage are arguably the worst heroes in the entire game to defend against pushes.

    To counter NP you need to push out the lanes and then either gank him if he tries to depush and kill him, force a teamfight, or just farm (and rinse and repeat until you can fight or gank NP). This means that his lane creeps won't be able to reach your towers during the fight meaning you have a lot of time to send someone back to deal with the problem. Without lane creeps his treants can't kill towers thanks to BD protection.
     
  13. Kirijo-sama

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    bad news gais furion is op against hero with no AoE spell.
    xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
     
  14. dR

    dR Moderator Staff Member

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    How about we not have this type of post.
     
  15. RashardLewis

    RashardLewis New Member

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  16. Siraraz

    Siraraz Member

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    Your Dotabuff says it is PL, not NP.
     
  17. vvjacobo

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    You could do that build before, and the counter is still the same:
    You buy tp boots on someone that can defend your base. You push further than your wave so it doesnt get killed by furion.
    Defender tp to atack rax. Now you fight 5 vs 4 underfarmed herores because of furion eating all gold and win.