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Discussion in 'Advanced Mechanics' started by mapdesigner, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    Hello,

    I will just post any tests or mechanics I find interesting if that is ok.

    So, I just wanted to double check LC aghs interaction if LC was target from other units owned by the target hero.
    • Lone Druid Bear does not deal any damage to Legion
    • Terror Blade Illusions also do not deal any damage
    • Monkey King Ultimate deals no damage as well
    • I will assume lycan units and necro book does not damage LC based on the above.

    • Damage block affects blade mail if physical
    • if BM user has blood rage, damage is not amplified (can be tested using blood rage)
    • If BM user has silver edge debuff, damage is reduced.
    • If BM target has blood rage, it have amplified damage returned to it.
    I know I have posted same test before, but I just wanted to double check if anything was updated. this test is valid at 22/June/2017

    Will post other tests when I feel like it.

    • ionShelled troll
    • Pa First hit bash
    • batman oil
    • jug omni + silver edge
     
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  2. EebstertheGreat

    EebstertheGreat Forum Manager Staff Member

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    It's odd that Bloodrage does not amplify outgoing damage from Blade Mail.
     
  3. mapdesigner

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    It was explicitly stated in patch note that this in particular was changed. the reason is that blood seeker being able to amplify twice with blade mail and made it OP.

    However, what I find odd is that blade mail was then changed that damage is returned before any reduction, which makes me believe its interaction with silver edge is quite inconsistent.
     
  4. mapdesigner

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    Test3: Yornero receives no damage from blademail while spinning even while attacking.
     
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  5. Blamagenkind

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    Obviously. He is dealing magic damage and he is magic immune.
    Maybe if the target was also magic immune, then his attack damage would probably be reflected.
     
  6. mapdesigner

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    well his attacks still technically go through. it is supposed to be reduced, and as of blademail change, it stated that it returns damage before any reductions, so I thought it might return his right click damage, but you know what? I will have to test this with diffusal because he would still deal physical damage and it will go through
     
  7. Blamagenkind

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    AFAIK, it's not counted as damage reduction.
    Bash get's reflected, diffusal's mana break isn't because it's blocked by magic immunity.

    Also, I don't think it would reflect even if the target was magic immune. I've never seen it in my current games. But I remember seeing it reflect his attack while spinning before, I don't know when it was changed.
     
  8. mapdesigner

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    I just tested. Diffusal does deal 27 damage to Yornero from blademail during his spin. Diffusal is physical damage
     
  9. Blamagenkind

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    Yes, but I'm saying if target is magic immune.
    Did you test it with other on-attack effects? Like OoV, pierce, etc.
     
  10. mapdesigner

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    could do that but im not sure which attack modifiers are nout magical? I can only think of diffusal + slardar bash. OOv is magical apparently
     
  11. EebstertheGreat

    EebstertheGreat Forum Manager Staff Member

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    Blade Fury reduces Juggernaut's outgoing attack damage to 0 except against wards and buildings. Because it is reducing it on his end, not the target's end, Blademail would reflect 0 damage (actually, I think Blademail is coded not to reflect 0 damage, so it just does nothing). It doesn't matter if the target is magic immune.
     
  12. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    That is not actually true I'm afraid

    Proof:
    upload_2017-7-3_20-1-1.png
    Repro:

    1. Pick Commander Tresdin with Dagon.
    2. Pick Yornero With Silver Edge and Blademail.
    3. Tresdin do 150 damage to Yornero, and Yornero Reflects 300 Damage.
    as far as I know, Silveredge is also on the targets end reduction

    Will add this to OP later
     
  13. Bu3ny

    Bu3ny Moderator Staff Member

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    Blade Fury does not use reductions. It works like how Bash, Diffu, or any other dmg increasing effect does . On each attack, the attack target is checked. If it's a hero or a creep, he gets his attack damage reduced to 0 as the attack hits. Since this effect lasts for one tick, it's not visible in the HUD, just like how you cant see the bash proc damage in your HUD.

    The attack damage reduction considers his base damage, damage from attributes and raw damag bonuses. So basically, it considers "permanent" bonuses only. Conditional/Temporare bonuses like diffu, bash dmg, shadow blade break damage are ignored, because these effects work like that as well. Upon proccing, they give you + attack damage for that attack.
     
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  14. EebstertheGreat

    EebstertheGreat Forum Manager Staff Member

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    In what sense is that not a "reduction"?
     
  15. dewouter

    dewouter Moderator Staff Member

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    I think the HUD thing has more to do with them not sending it to the client at all. I also got high crit numbers while not dealing damage. That means the server also has the higher numbers. Maybe they made it so that Blade Fury is an aura that protects enemies from attack damage from Jugger?
     
  16. mapdesigner

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    I think he means it is a bash with negative bonus damage. When bash proccs, the additional damage get reflected and so bash hit will return more damage back to the attacker. in the same way, the bladefury will return less (0 in fact) damage to the attacker.
     
  17. mapdesigner

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    Test 5:

    Prowless Root does not interrupt TP, so is that of Pitlord. however, Syllabear root does stop TP