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Core Atropos

Discussion in 'Meta-Game Discussion' started by Hyperion1O1, May 16, 2017.

  1. Hyperion1O1

    Hyperion1O1 Member

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    With the new Aghs on him, is going for a mid or even offlane Bane worth it now?

    1.5 sec cooldown Brain Sap with a 300 Pure damage nuke/heal sounds pretty insane. Like really insane, that's more spam than Skywrath Mage Arcane Bolts.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. effreit89

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    Hahaha its actually a 500 pure damage nuke/heal on 1.5s on level 25

    It even has ~1k cast range with that Talent and Aether Lens. Oracle Aghs cries tears of pain. XD

    Get a friggin OC it becomes even more ridiculous!

    Too bad Bane has literally 0 means to reliably farm (hint: he's worse than CK). It will be Bane's eternal wet nightmare.
     
  3. vvjacobo

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    Thing is he doesnt really needs any item, he can live with boots soul ring all game. So perhaps it's viable.
     
  4. Mimic

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    Well it's 500 pure damage at lvl 25 which is a lot... but I tried it out and no it's not viable. Bane just needs to much farm to get there, especially with a large enough mana pool to spam it. In pubs you will never be able to farm this much without getting flamed to death. It's an indirect Alch buff.
     
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  5. MortalKombat3

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    Offlane - can be viable in some setups, mid - no way!
    Dont forget than Brain Sap costs 200 mana though.
     
  6. ManOnTheCan

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    Most of the time your combo is Brain sap-Fiend's grip-Brain sap, and by that time the fight is over, and your target is either dead or you're dead.

    Aghs is going to have a pretty high win rate regardless, but I think if you actually look at the extra damage done, you'll find that it's marginal at best.
     
  7. adapt

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    Bane's new Sceptre doesn't fix that godawful cast time for Brain Sap.
     
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  8. Hyperion1O1

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    Its been 160 mana cost for a long time, brah.
     
  9. Equivocal

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    The biggest issue of core bane is that his power spike ends as early as level 7, the only big level after (and before 20) is 12 and that is still quite weak damage upgrade on ult.

    you have to be really far ahead to win, if you are playing him as mid. He has the worst wave clear in Dota, so he really can't farm if things get messy.

    The new aghs looks promising, but I don't think it is any better than SD aghs, and we don't see core SD.
     
  10. MortalKombat3

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    Why pick core bane, if you cant ruin enemy carry with casting maxed Enfeeble on him (PA, for example)?
    And if you can, your power grows even above 7.
    As i said, he is bad mid. Offlane - yes, nice.
     
  11. Equivocal

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    Yes I like Offlane bane as well. Enfeeble is almost 100% support skill though, and so Bane off is niche at best. It is a lane Bane can do, what SD can't though.
     
  12. dR

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    If you send him mid he'll almost always lose because all standard mid heroes have clearing spells (Scream of Pain, Psi Blades, etc), and he just doesn't bring anything like that to the table.
     
  13. Daddy Sven

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    Don't think it's really worth it. Cast time + mana requirement is what really slows this down. If he didn't have the XP talent, the build would've been even less worth it.
     
  14. IHateLeavers

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    PA can last hit with dagger, so it really doesnt affect her that much. On paper Bane Aghs looks good, but in reality it's gonna be hard to farm this gold as most games are usually very intensive. You cant really place Bane solo mid, because any pusher will destroy the lane and gank others, so the only thing left is offline or support. If there's no AM/Nyx on other team you might have good time but most games will end before you get lvl25 anyway.
     
  15. Equivocal

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    Were you even supposed to quote my post? :detective:

    I don't think AM counters Bane that hard, Core Bane can make AM life quite difficult if he gets even slightly ahead.
     
  16. IHateLeavers

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    AM can burn your mp in laning phase and after it and still dmg, because his orb does dmg when he burn mp. The difference is, AM is still more useful than Bane without mana.
     
  17. MortalKombat3

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    But PA's dagger scales with her right-click damage too. If she's enfeebled, she can do nothing..
     
  18. IHateLeavers

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    No. Dagger does base dmg + "X" % of your AD. I played this matchup a lot.
     
  19. Equivocal

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    the base dmg is hardly relevant once you have -210 damage debuff
     
  20. MortalKombat3

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    Yeah, GL to lasthit with 50 "base" damage from dagger only, and 0 attack damage.