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am linken priority or agha?

Discussion in 'Advanced Mechanics' started by mapdesigner, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. mapdesigner

    mapdesigner Member

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    Hello,

    which one block first, am agha spell shield or linken?
    in previous patch, if am have linken and lotus orb activated, LC duel still go through (LC dueling am is blocked, but reflected that am dueling LC)

    how will it interact now? I assume agha will have priority now, (if so, LC will rekt am because duel will still go through xD)
     
  2. duble_dragon

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    Against Fiend's Grip, Shackles, Dismember, Duel, and Flaming Lasso you want Linken. Against the rest, his aghs.
     
  3. Oesile

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    I think they would proc at the same time? Even if you have a Linkens already and get it as a buff from a teammate they both pop, and as you mentioned the interaction of linkens with lotus also indicates that this will be the case. Can't test currently.

    Don't get Aghanims against Legion Commander, it's not mandatory for AM.
    You get it when the opponents don't have things they can abuse to pull you out of position such as Swap, Burrowstrike or even things like Sunder.
    Or if their batrider is boss and makes sick plays by forcing you so that you force him while making you vunerable to Lasso.

    Otherwise it's a better, cheaper linkens.
     
  4. Oesile

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    I think you are misunderstanding how it works. If Pudge dismembers you, you interrupt his ultimate by reflecting dismember on him, and you can cancel it at any time or wait for your blink CD. Same for Fiends grip and Shackles.
    The Aghs is actually very good against Bane and Shadow Shaman, better than Linkens as Shaman can't Blink + Hex you but has to always cast his nuke first.

    Dismember heals you too and Fiends grip restores your mana, while Flaming Lasso means you can pull Batrider around with you. He can abuse your reflect effect to force staff himself towards you but that's about it.
     
  5. Clueless

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    It blocks first and then reflects. however, AM with agh is still shit when you have 3 hero disable target. It won't be reliable unless you face burst damage type heroes(lina,lion).
     
  6. mapdesigner

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    they pop but maybe not at same time (source wiki)
    Multiple instances of the buff work fully independently from each other.
    • This means it is possible to cast two instances on the same allied hero, and each buff can block one spell.
    • This also means that when an ally places the Linken's buff on a hero that has its own Linken's Sphere, both can block a spell. The allied buff is used up first in this case.
    sorry if you mean, was just a bit ambigious
     
  7. mapdesigner

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    So you mean linken has priority over agha?
     
  8. Oesile

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    Are you sure about this? I thought one spell popped both. Can't test right now.
     
  9. mapdesigner

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  11. Oesile

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    It appears I was misinformed. Yeah, you see LC you never go Aghs is the moral of the story.
     
  12. Clueless

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    i mean, AM with bkb has the highest priority of linken(depends on burst type heroes).
     
  13. duble_dragon

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    Except you're an AM. Your usefulness without that gimmick far exceeds your ability to sit there and channel. A channeling AM is a useless AM because in this particular case, they are initiation spells. If you've "reflected" those spells back then your reflect is on cd and you're sitting still just as the enemy team wants. 99% of the time the follow up will be there right after the spell hits you, reflected or not.
     
  14. mapdesigner

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    but you can always stop channeling with. basically you can ignorre the fact that your hero is channeling and play normal. agha provide linken anyway
     
  15. Mordax

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    this. just move or use stop.
    aghs blocks of channelled spells do not interrupt your movements if you are antimage, just like linkens (if your apm is not super low). Aghs is cheaper and has lower cooldown.

    The only exception are spells that you cant cancel after you casted them like duel. Because your own duel cast locks you down if you have aghs, instead of linkens.
     
  16. Oesile

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    Come to think of it, Legion Commander dueling you means you duel her back, with Aghs. This means that she has to be able to kill you solo else she will feed a lot of damage, but it also sucks more when she can kill you because then your team can't help at all.
    LC also wouldn't duel you unless they were sure they can come out on top, so it's even worse than I thought against LC.
     
  17. mapdesigner

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    Yes, it actually reflects an upgraded duel on LC,

    just tested

    LOL
     
  18. JaCKaSS_69

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    Keep in mind that the winner of the duel gets +18 damage even if LC has the +40 duel damage talent cause AM reflects the duel. So all in all, if you can 1v1 LC go Aghs, if she smashes you, don't. xd
     
  19. tulleh

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    am aghs is also bad vs venge (swap), terrorblade (sunder), and probably sand king (burrowstrike)
     
  20. Blarrg

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    How is it bad vs burrow you can literally just kill SK if he tries to burrow you.