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7.00 Visage

Discussion in 'Meta-Game Discussion' started by stereox, Dec 18, 2016.

  1. stereox

    stereox Member

    Jan 21, 2012
    • Gravekeeper's Cloak minimum damage threshold increased from 15 to 50
    • Gravekeeper's Cloak now reduces all damage by 8/12/16/20% per layer.
    • Gravekeeper's Cloak recovery time rescaled from 3 to 6/5/4/3
    • Gravekeeper's Cloak now affects Familiars within 900 distance of your hero (their block is based on your stack count).
    • Summon Familiars cooldown reduced from 180/160/140 to 160/145/130
    • Familiars now have 500/750/1000 HP (instead of 3 hits).
    • Familiars now interact with regeneration effects normally.
    • Familiars no longer regenerate attack damage with Stone Form.
    • Familiars attack damage recharge time reduced from 15 to 2
    • Familiars are no longer Spell Immune.
    • Familiars now have 35% magic resistance.
    • Familiars movement speed rescaled from 380/390/400 to 430
    • Familiars damage per charge rescaled from 8/14/22 to 8/16/24
    • Stone Form duration reduced from 8 to 6 seconds
    • Stone Form cooldown reduced from 20 to 14

    11 Green vs 4 Red

    He is now a lot tankier because of new damage threshold on Cloak. 50 damage threshold is HUGE.
    Considering notable skills like Dark Pact, Blade Fury, Acid Spray, Ion Shell, Rocket Barrage, Burning Spear, Torrent, Dual Breath damage is effectively reduced by 80%

    Correct me if i'm wrong

    Familiars are now a lot stronger because of Cloak aura and bestowed by Auras such like Mekans and Vlad. And attack more consistently because of 2s damage cooldown.

    Stone Form is buffed again, and reduced stone duration is actually a buff. Last patch it got reduced Stone Form delay which is very good.

    What are your thoughts ? Will this hero become cancer support or support-goes-to-carry ?
    I'd say this is very good for him to compete with other tanky support like Ogre and Kunkka.

    It seems that there's other visage thread. But this one is mainly discuss on the hero itself instead of one skill.
  2. Kris

    Kris Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 15, 2009
    I think it's currently best as a space creating 2 or dual off 3.5

    I kind of hate the level disadvantage from other positions.

    Birds are really strong atm, and need to be slain with itemization like Echo + Deso.

    Aoe silences are really good against Visage to kill his main or control his flock.

    People aren't respecting the hero enough and he plays the current brawl style really well.

    I also think your wrong and damage under 50 is not reduce.
  3. ManOnTheCan

    ManOnTheCan Member

    Aug 18, 2013
    Don't focus the birds, they have 5x HP if Visage is near them (which he should be now). Hit Visage 4 times and then his birds die like creeps.
  4. IHateLeavers

    IHateLeavers Member

    Feb 15, 2012
    Pretty good with Traxex aura.
  5. Kris

    Kris Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 15, 2009
    Yes, but it turns out itemization like echo + Deso does a good job slaying Visage.

    Nobody is suggesting to aim the birds under cloak.
  6. stereox

    stereox Member

    Jan 21, 2012
    It is not. Maybe i'm wrong at explaining it.

    But then yes, Silence does kill him and the birds. Silence means death for them.

    People are now complaining about how strong SA is.
  7. Redeemed A.I.

    Redeemed A.I. Member

    Jun 10, 2009
    I feel like his birds are a lot less useful now since they die very fast if there is no visage nearby.Since the hp nerf they also can't farm neutrals properly (if you needed that gold).
    He's a very good support that outshadows other weak supports.